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Был тут у меня разговор с гастроэнтерологом и он мне рассказывал как это плохо, безуглеводное питание и пугал страшилками про людей, которых привозили в реанимацию и в больницы выводили из состояния кетоза, так как организм уже обратно без медицинской помощи вывести не удавалось.

так как организм уже обратно без медицинской помощи вывести не удавалось

Таварисчи, а насколько безуглеводно это питание, о котором все говорят ? Даже овощей и травы нет ?

По идее можно все зеленое. Траву, салаты, фасоль даже стручковую в умеренных количествах, брокколи там разные... У меня время от времени лист салата, соленый огурец или ложка квашеной капусты как закуска к жидкому маслу проскакивает. Особой необходимости в них не вижу.

Чувствую себя прекрасно, кетоза не наблюдаю..

А простой кетоз - вполне нормальный физиологический процесс, придуманный природой для выживания организма, а никак не для его уничтожения

северные народы когда к концу зимы только тюленей и китов едят

северные народы когда к концу зимы только тюленей и китов едят это они тоже в кетозе?

только тюленей и китов едят это они тоже в кетозе?

Кетоз — повышенное содержание кетоновых тел в организме. Т.е. вопрос в величине кетонемии (содержании кетоновых тел в крови) и в постоянстве этого уровня, который падает при любом поступлении извне углеводных источников энергии.

а у присутствующих здесь "кетозников" - сильно повышенный уровень этих самых тел?

Probably the most common tools used by ketogenic dieters are Ketostix ™ or Diastix
™, which measure the urinary concentrations of either ketones or ketones and glucose
respectively. Typically, they are used by Type I diabetics for whom the presence of high urinary
ketones/glucose can indicate the start of a diabetic emergency. Since a non-diabetic individual
shouldn’t show glucose in the bloodstream, there is no reason for most ketogenic dieters to use the
Diastix ™. Only Ketostix ™ are discussed here.
Ketostix ™ use the nitroprusside reaction, which reacts to the presence of acetoacetate,
to indicate the concentration of urinary ketones. Depending on the concentrations of
acetoacetate, the Ketostix ™ react by turning various shades of purple with darker colors
indicating greater concentrations.
Since Ketostix ™ only register relative concentrations, rather than absolute amounts,
changes in hydration state can affect the concentration of ketones which appear. A high water
intake tends to dilute urinary ketone concentrations giving lighter readings.
Ketostix ™ are typically used to indicate that one’s diet is truly inducing a state of
ketosis. The problem is that Ketostix ™ are a only an indirect way of measuring ketosis. Recall
from chapter 4 that ketosis is technically defined by the presence of ketones in the bloodstream
(ketonemia). Ketones in the urine simply indicate an overproduction of ketones such that excess
spill into the urine. So it is conceivable for someone to be in ketosis without showing urinary
ketones.
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Some individuals can never get past trace ketosis, while others always seem to show
darker readings. There seems to be little rhyme or reason as to why some individuals will always
show deep concentrations of urinary ketones while others will not. Some will show higher urinary
ketones after a high fat meal, suggesting that dietary fat is being converted to ketones which are
then excreted. Consuming medium chain triglycerides (MCT’s) has the same effect. Other
individuals seem to only register ketones on the stick after extensive aerobic exercise. Finally,
there appear to be daily changes in ketone concentrations, caused by fluctuations in hormone
levels. Generally ketone concentrations are smaller in the morning and larger in the evening,
reaching a peak at midnight. Many individuals report high ketones at night but show no urinary
ketones the next morning while others report the opposite.
No hard and fast rules can be given for the use of Ketostix ™ except not to be obsessive
about them. In the same way that the presence of ketones can be psychologically reassuring,
the absence of ketones can be just as psychologically harmful. It is easy to mentally shortcircuit
by checking the Ketostix ™ all the time.
A popular idea is that the deeper the level of ketosis as measured by Ketostix ™, the
greater the weight/fat loss. However there is no data to support or refute this claim. While some
popular diet authors have commented that urinary ketone excretion means that bodyfat is being
excreted causing fat loss, this is only loosely true in that ketones are made from the breakdown of
fat in the liver. The number of calories lost in the urine as ketones amounts to 100 calories per
day at most.
Anecdotally, higher levels of urinary ketones seem to be indicative of slower fat loss.
Individuals who maintain trace ketosis seem to lose fat more efficiently although there is no
research examining this phenomenon. A possible reason is this: high levels of ketones in the
bloodstream raise insulin slightly and block the release of free fatty acids from fat cells. This
seems to imply that higher levels of ketones will slow fat mobilization.
The ideal situation would seem to be one where trace ketosis (as measured by Ketostix
™) is maintained, since this is the lowest level of ketosis which can be measured while still
ensuring that one is truly in ketosis. This should be indicative of relatively lower blood ketone
concentrations, meaning that bodyfat can be mobilized more efficiently.

У меня - нет, еле-еле проявляется

А вот северные народы когда к концу зимы только тюленей и китов едят это они тоже в кетозе?